The Problem with Going Back to a Place That Never Left You

A discussion between Dashiell Hammett and Tana French


We met at a pub in Ringsend that Hammett would not have chosen and French clearly had. The kind of place with low ceilings and a carpet that remembers thirty years of spilled stout — not charming, not horrible, just irreducibly there. A television above the bar showed a football match with the sound off. Three old men in the corner hadn’t looked up when we came in, and I suspected they wouldn’t look up if the roof fell.

Hammett ordered whiskey. Not Irish — bourbon, which the barman produced from under the counter as if he’d been saving it for an occasion that might never come. French ordered a glass of red wine that arrived in a tumbler, which she accepted without comment. I had tea. I always have tea at these things, because it gives me something to do with my hands during the silences, and with these two I expected silences.

“Docklands,” Hammett said. He had the combination sheet in front of him, but he’d stopped reading it several minutes ago. He was staring at the wall behind the bar where someone had hung a photograph of the pub from the 1970s — same layout, same carpet, different faces. “You’re asking me to write a homecoming. I don’t write homecomings.”

“You wrote Red Harvest,” I said. “The Op goes back to Poisonville —”

“The Op goes to Poisonville. He’s never been there before. He arrives. He cleans house. He leaves. That’s not a homecoming. That’s an extermination.” He drank. “There’s no before for the Op. No childhood bedroom, no street corner where he had his first kiss. He’s a function. He enters, he operates, he exits.”

French had been quiet, but her quietness had a quality to it — not waiting but accumulating, the way certain silences gather weight until they have to be addressed.

“That’s exactly the problem with the function,” she said. “The function enters and operates and exits and the story is about what the function does to the town. But what does the town do to the function? Nothing. The Op leaves Poisonville the same man who arrived, maybe a few bruises darker, maybe a few illusions lighter, but structurally intact. He doesn’t carry the place with him.”

“He doesn’t need to carry it. That’s the point.”

“That’s the limitation.”

Hammett’s jaw did something that wasn’t quite a clench. “The limitation,” he said, “is also the architecture. Strip the detective of interiority and everything has to be on the surface. Behavior. Dialogue. What people do when they think no one is watching. You don’t need to tell the reader what the Op feels because you show what he does, and the gap between what he does and what a normal person would do — that gap is character.”

“The gap is a wall,” French said. She turned the tumbler in her hand, and I noticed she wasn’t drinking, just holding. “And I’m not saying walls aren’t useful in fiction. They are. But I’m interested in what happens when the wall cracks. When the detective goes somewhere and the somewhere gets inside them. Not because of some dramatic revelation, but because the smell of the river is the smell of the river they grew up beside, and the body they’re investigating is lying in a street they used to walk home from school on, and suddenly the professional distance that makes them good at their job is not available.”

“Then they’re not good at their job,” Hammett said.

“Exactly. And what then?”

Hammett finished his bourbon and set the glass down with the precision of someone who believes in clean surfaces. “You’re proposing a detective who fails.”

“I’m proposing a detective who succeeds at the wrong things.”

I leaned forward. “That’s the story, isn’t it? The journalist — she goes back to the docklands where she grew up, she investigates her source’s death, and the investigation works. She follows leads, she talks to people, she puts pieces together. But the pieces she’s putting together aren’t the ones she thinks. The case solves something she didn’t come there to solve.”

“Red Harvest,” Hammett said, and I could hear him testing the fit. “In Red Harvest the Op plays the factions against each other. It’s chess with corpses. You want the same architecture — the returning investigator stirring up what’s settled — but you want the stirring to go inward instead of outward.”

“Both,” French said. “The inward and the outward can’t be separated. That’s what homecoming means. You go back and the geography has opinions about you. Your mother’s neighbor recognizes you in the shop and suddenly you’re fifteen again and you shoplifted a lipstick from that shelf and she saw you and never said anything and you’ve been carrying the weight of her knowing for twenty years. The investigation is real. The case is real. But the place is working on her at the same time, and the working-on is not decorative.”

“In my experience,” Hammett said, “decoration is what happens when a writer is too attached to their protagonist’s feelings.”

“In my experience,” French said, “detachment is what happens when a writer is too attached to their protagonist’s competence.”

They looked at each other across the table. The football match proceeded silently above us. One of the old men in the corner coughed.

I said, “Can I ask about the subversion?”

“The risk card,” French said, nodding.

“Genre subversion. We’re supposed to set up hardboiled conventions and then break them. The docklands, the dead source, the stripped-down investigation — it starts as Hammett. And then at some point, it isn’t anymore.”

Hammett’s expression didn’t change, which I was learning meant he was listening harder than when it did. “What breaks?”

“I don’t know yet. That’s what I’m asking.”

French leaned back. She looked at the photograph on the wall — the same pub, the same carpet, the different faces. “In Faithful Place, Frank Mackey goes back to the street where he grew up because they’ve found a suitcase that belonged to the girl he loved when he was nineteen. The girl everyone thought left him. The suitcase means she didn’t leave. The suitcase means something happened to her in that house on that street and everyone Frank grew up with might know more about it than they’ve said. What breaks is not the case. What breaks is Frank’s story about himself. The story that says: I got out. I made something of myself. The place didn’t get me. The whole book is that story cracking apart.”

“That’s good for a novel,” Hammett said. “Seven thousand words doesn’t give you room for a slow crack.”

“Seven thousand words gives you room for one fracture and the sound it makes. You don’t need the whole building to come down. You need one load-bearing wall to shift.”

I wrote that down. One load-bearing wall.

“So the subversion,” I said. “She arrives as a hardboiled investigator. The prose is clean, the dialogue is sharp, she doesn’t flinch at what she finds. And then —”

“And then the place remembers her,” French said.

Hammett shook his head. “Places don’t remember. People remember. And people lie about what they remember. That’s the raw material of investigation — the discrepancy between what people say they remember and what actually occurred.”

“I agree with the lying,” French said. “But I disagree about places. Places don’t lie, which is worse. The wallpaper in your mother’s kitchen doesn’t have an agenda. The crack in the pavement where you fell off your bike when you were seven doesn’t care about your professional reputation. The physical environment simply persists, and its persistence is an accusation that no interview technique can deflect.”

“You’re romanticizing concrete.”

“I’m saying that a journalist can handle a hostile witness. She can handle a threatening phone call, a door slammed in her face, a source who recants. What she cannot handle — what breaks the hardboiled posture — is the absolute indifference of a street she used to love. The docklands didn’t miss her. They didn’t notice she was gone. That’s worse than hostility. Hostility you can fight. Indifference you just have to stand in.”

Hammett was quiet for a while. He signaled the barman for another bourbon. The barman brought it. I watched Hammett turn the glass a quarter turn, then another quarter turn, aligning something I couldn’t see.

“Red Harvest works because the Op doesn’t care about Poisonville,” he said. “He’s a professional in a sick town. He applies his skills. The town resists. He applies more force. The body count rises. At the end, the town is different but the Op is the Op. You want this journalist to care. About the docklands, about the people, about whatever she left behind.”

“I want the caring to be the thing she didn’t plan for,” French said. “She went back armed with professionalism. She has notebooks and sources and the posture of someone who has put this place behind her. And the posture holds for a while. It holds through the first three conversations, through the first walk along the quay. And then someone says something — not even something important, maybe just ‘your da used to drink here’ — and the armor cracks. Not dramatically. Not cinematically. The crack is quiet and she covers it and nobody notices, but from that point forward the investigation is contaminated by something that has nothing to do with the dead source.”

“Contaminated,” Hammett said. He said it as if tasting the word. “All right. I can work with contaminated. The Op gets contaminated in Red Harvest — he starts to enjoy the violence, he goes blood-simple. That’s the only time the armor cracks. So your contamination is different. It’s not violence, it’s memory.”

“Not even memory. Proximity. The contamination is being physically present in a place that once had a claim on you.”

I asked whether the source’s death should resolve. Whether the journalist should find out what happened and why, in the manner of a proper investigation.

“She should find out enough,” Hammett said. “Enough to write the story. Enough to leave. Whether it’s the whole truth —” He shrugged. “In my books the whole truth is a pile of bodies and a report to the home office. Clean enough for government work.”

“The whole truth is beside the point,” French said, and I was surprised because I’d expected her to insist on it. “The subversion is that she solves the case but the solving doesn’t matter the way she thought it would. In a straight hardboiled story, the resolution is the point. The detective walks through the darkness and finds the answer and the answer is ugly but it’s an answer. The genre promise is: the world is knowable, even if what you know about it is terrible. The subversion breaks that promise.”

“Breaks it how?” I asked.

“The answer she finds is real. The source is dead for real reasons — money, or silence, or the kind of local arrangement that doesn’t survive exposure. She can write it up. She can file the story. But the story doesn’t explain the feeling. The professional resolution sits on top of the personal unresolution like a lid on a pot that’s still boiling.”

“That’s two stories,” Hammett said.

“Yes,” French said. “That’s the point. The hardboiled story and the homecoming story. They occupy the same seven thousand words and the same protagonist and they never quite merge. The investigation resolves. The return doesn’t.”

“In my experience, that’s an unsatisfying structure.”

“In my experience, that’s an honest one.”

I drank my tea, which had gone cold in the way tea goes cold when you forget about it because two people in the room are making the air interesting. The football match had ended or paused or simply stopped mattering.

“The prose,” I said. “Where does the prose live?”

“Clean,” Hammett said immediately. “Short sentences. Concrete nouns. She sees what she sees and reports it. No interiority until interiority is earned.”

“Agreed on clean,” French said. “But earned interiority should come earlier than you’d like. Not the first page, not the second. But by the time she’s walking along the quay in the third scene, there should be something underneath the clean sentences. A pressure. The prose starts as Hammett and something begins to push against it from below.”

“Contamination again.”

“Contamination.” French smiled. “The prose contaminates itself. The hardboiled surface holds, but the rhythm changes. Sentences get longer. An image arrives that has no investigative purpose — the way light hits the water in a way she remembers, a boat that’s still there, rotting, that she and her brother used to climb. These aren’t decorations. They’re cracks. And through the cracks you can see a different story trying to get out.”

Hammett finished his second bourbon. He didn’t order a third. “I’m going to say something I don’t often say. You may be right about the prose. Not about the cracks. The cracks are sentimental. But about the pressure — about something pushing against the clean surface. That’s tension. And tension is structure.”

“Thank you,” French said, and she said it without warmth or relief, the way you’d thank someone for handing you a tool you’d asked for.

“The ending,” I said. “She finishes the investigation. She has enough. She can leave.”

“She can always leave,” Hammett said. “The question is whether leaving is the same act it was when she arrived.”

“It’s not,” French said. “Leaving the first time was escape. Leaving the second time is abandonment. And she knows the difference now. The investigation gave her cover — she was here for a reason, a professional reason. When the reason is used up, she’s just a person standing on a street where she used to live, with no excuse to be there.”

“So she leaves,” Hammett said.

“She leaves.”

“And the story?”

“The story is about the leaving. Both leavings. And the twenty years between them that she spent pretending the first one didn’t cost her anything.”

One of the old men in the corner stood up, put on his cap, and walked out without saying goodbye to the other two. They didn’t acknowledge his departure. The door closed behind him and the draft moved the football match schedule pinned to the notice board.

“I still think you’re overvaluing the personal,” Hammett said. But he said it quietly, the way you say something you’re not sure you mean anymore but aren’t ready to stop meaning.

“And I still think you’re undervaluing it,” French said. “But the story needs both. The clean investigation and the messy underneath. Stripped-down violence and psychological homecoming. The genre and the crack in the genre.”

She picked up her tumbler of wine and finally drank from it. Hammett watched the television where the next match was starting or the same match was continuing, impossible to tell without sound.

I looked at my notes. They said: contamination, proximity, load-bearing wall, the same seven thousand words, indifference worse than hostility, leaving as abandonment.

Somewhere in there was a story about a woman who went home to do a job and found out the job was a shell around something she couldn’t name. Hammett would give me the shell. French would give me the thing inside it. The subversion was that both of them were right and the story would hold them both without resolving which mattered more.

The barman collected Hammett’s empty glass. French’s wine was half finished. My tea was cold. The old men in the corner were down to two and they still hadn’t spoken to each other, which I admired — the discipline of shared silence, each man attending to his own version of the afternoon, neither requiring the other to confirm it.