The Patience of Roots: On Watching a Body Become Something Else
A discussion between Stephen King and Mariana Enriquez
Enriquez was already seated when I arrived at the restaurant, a dim place on a side street in Buenos Aires that she’d chosen because they made good empanadas and because the owner owed her a favor and would let us stay past closing. She had a glass of Malbec in front of her and was reading something on her phone with the concentrated displeasure of someone encountering bad news that confirmed her expectations.
King came in loud, the way King always comes in — stamping his feet, pulling off a Red Sox cap, scanning the room like he was checking for exits. He’d never been to Buenos Aires before. He ordered a Coca-Cola and looked around at the walls, which were covered in faded photographs of footballers and Catholic saints in no discernible arrangement.
“Good place,” he said. “Reminds me of this Italian joint in Bridgton. Family-run. The grandmother hated everyone who ate there but the food was phenomenal.”
Enriquez put her phone down. “The grandmother died?”
“Still alive at ninety-six. Meaner than ever. Her granddaughter runs the front now but you can hear the old woman in the kitchen, swearing at the pasta.”
“Good,” Enriquez said. “I want that in the story.”
I asked her what she meant.
“The domestic. The ugly familiar. We’re writing about a body that’s transforming — something growing in it, through it — and the family has to manage this. I don’t want it to happen in a hospital. I don’t want clean corridors. I want it to happen in a house where the dishes still need doing and someone still has to take the garbage out and there’s an argument about money happening in the next room while the thing in the spare bedroom gets worse.”
King nodded slowly. He was already there. “The domestic is where horror lives. I’ve said this a hundred times and I’ll keep saying it because people keep putting horror in abandoned asylums. The scariest room in the world is a bedroom where someone you love is changing into something you can’t recognize. You know the room. You painted that room. You assembled the furniture from IKEA and argued about the curtains and now there’s something in the bed that used to be your sister or your father and the curtains are the same curtains and the lamp is the same lamp.”
“But,” Enriquez said, and the word landed like a knife on the table, “you also sentimentalize it. You do. The family in your work — they pull together. They fight the thing. There’s a moment of courage, a moment where love is enough to face the darkness. That’s not what I’m talking about.”
“Love isn’t enough?”
“Love isn’t the point. The point is that they keep showing up. Not because of love. Because of obligation, because of guilt, because there’s nobody else. The sister who changes the bandages isn’t doing it because her heart swells with devotion. She’s doing it because the brother lives three provinces away and the mother is dead and someone has to do it, and the resentment she feels — the real, ugly, exhausting resentment — that is the emotional center. Not the heroism. The grudge.”
King took a long drink of his Coca-Cola. I could see him working through this, the way he works through things — not rejecting it, exactly, but testing it against his own machinery.
“There’s truth in that,” he said. “Tabitha’s mother, toward the end — before she died — there were things that needed doing that nobody wanted to do. And the people who did them didn’t feel noble. They felt trapped. They felt disgusted sometimes, and then guilty about the disgust, and then resentful about the guilt. It’s a cycle. You’re right that it’s not heroism. But I’ll push back on one thing: there are moments, in the middle of all that resentment, where something cuts through. You’re changing a diaper on your seventy-year-old mother and she looks at you and she’s there, she’s fully present for three seconds, and those three seconds wreck you worse than the bad days because they remind you who’s inside the thing you’re managing. That’s not sentimentality. That’s the knife.”
I told them about the structural element we needed to discuss. The Fly — Cronenberg’s version. The slow transformation watched by someone who loves the person inside the changing body. Seth Brundle becomes something else in stages, and Veronica watches each stage and has to decide, each time, whether he’s still in there. Whether there’s enough of him left to justify staying.
“Yes,” Enriquez said. “That math. How much of the person remains. The family does this calculation every day, and every day the number is smaller, and no one says the number out loud.”
“But here’s where The Ruins comes in,” I said. “The organic invasion. Smith’s novel — those vines that get inside the body, that grow through wounds, that colonize living tissue. The body as territory that something else is claiming. I want the transformation in our story to feel botanical. Not alien, not demonic. Something that grows. That has roots.”
King leaned forward. “Roots. That’s the word. I grew up in Maine, and the thing about Maine is the forest doesn’t stay where you put it. You clear a field and within five years the birches are back, the sumac’s coming through the foundation, the roots are in the pipes. The forest is patient and the forest always wins. If what’s happening to this person is vegetable — if it’s something growing — then the horror isn’t the speed. The horror is the patience. You come in Monday morning and the growth has advanced a quarter inch. You come in Friday and it’s half an inch. You go home for the weekend because you can’t be there every day, you have a job, you have a kid in school, and you come back Monday and it’s covered the whole forearm and it’s flowering.”
“Flowering,” Enriquez said. She sat with the word. “In the villas — in the slums of Buenos Aires — there are walls where the vegetation comes through the concrete. The roots break the foundations. People live with it. They hang laundry on the branches that come through the bathroom wall. They adapt. This is what poverty teaches you: you adapt to the impossible because the alternative is to stop functioning, and stopping is not an option. The family in this story — they should not be wealthy. They should be people for whom this crisis is one more thing in a life already full of crises. The electricity bill is overdue. The car needs a timing belt. And now Aunt Delia’s arms are covered in something that looks like lichen and she can’t feed herself anymore.”
I said Aunt Delia and immediately regretted it — the name had just slipped out as a placeholder. But Enriquez had already moved past it.
“The non-linear structure,” she said. “We have a risk card. The story must be told out of order.”
King shifted in his chair. He looked uncomfortable for the first time. “I’m going to be honest with you. I don’t love fragmented timelines. I think most of the time it’s a trick. It’s a writer saying I don’t trust this story to hold your attention if I tell it straight, so let me shuffle the deck. The best horror is relentless forward motion. The door opens and you walk through and the door behind you closes and you keep walking because there is nowhere else to go.”
“That’s one kind of horror,” Enriquez said. “There is another kind, which is the horror of realizing you’ve been in the room for longer than you thought. The timeline shifts and suddenly you understand — this didn’t start last month. This started years ago. The thing you thought was the beginning was the middle. The thing you thought was the crisis was already the aftermath.”
I felt something unlock when she said that. “Like finding a photograph,” I said. “The family is looking through old photos and they see Aunt Delia at a birthday party four years ago and her arm — there’s something on her arm they didn’t notice at the time. They thought it was a shadow. It wasn’t a shadow.”
“Now you’re getting somewhere,” King said, though he still looked wary. “The revelation that it’s been happening longer than anyone knew — that works. That’s dread. Because it means the window for doing something about it was open and they didn’t even know to look through it. They were making dinner and arguing about politics and watching television and the thing was growing, growing, growing.”
“And the guilt,” Enriquez said. “They looked at her every day and they didn’t see it. Or they saw it and they told themselves it was nothing. A rash. An age spot. Dry skin. They told themselves the story that let them keep living their lives, and now the story has collapsed and the real story — the one written on her body — is the only one left.”
“But I want to protect the forward momentum,” King said. He was jabbing his finger gently against the table, the way he does when he’s arguing with himself as much as with anyone else. “Even if the chronology is broken, each fragment has to pull you forward. Each piece of the timeline the reader gets should end on a hook. Not a cliffhanger — a question. A thing you need to know. You read a fragment from three years ago and it ends with someone noticing something wrong, and the wrongness is specific enough that you carry it with you into the next fragment, which is set next week, and the connection between the two fragments — the reader makes that connection, not the prose. The reader does the work. That’s what makes it stick.”
“That I agree with,” Enriquez said, and it surprised both of them. “The reader assembling the chronology is a form of complicity. They are doing what the family could not do: seeing the whole timeline at once. Understanding the shape of it. The family experiences each stage in isolation. The reader sees the pattern. And the pattern is —”
“The pattern is that it was always going to end this way,” King said.
“No,” Enriquez said. “The pattern is that there was never a moment where someone could have stopped it. The fantasy of intervention — if only we had caught it sooner, if only we had taken her to a doctor, if only we had paid attention — the story dismantles that fantasy. Not because the family is negligent. Because the thing growing in her does not care about human schedules. It is not a disease you catch and treat. It is a process, like weathering, like erosion. You don’t cure a cliff of the sea.”
King was quiet for a while. The restaurant had grown darker. The owner had turned off the lights in the front and was working behind the bar, not looking at us.
“The loved ones,” King said. “I want to talk about the loved ones. Because The Fly isn’t about Brundle. The Fly is about Veronica. It’s about what it costs to watch. Every scene of transformation is also a scene of witnessing. And the witness has to make a decision every single day: do I stay or do I go. That decision is the story.”
“In Argentina, there is no ‘do I go,’” Enriquez said. “Going is not an option. The family stays because the state does not help. The health system does not help. The neighbors do not help. The family is the only infrastructure. So the question is not stay or go. The question is how do you survive staying. What do you stop feeling in order to keep functioning. What part of yourself do you kill so you can keep taking care of the thing that used to be a person.”
“That’s cold,” King said.
“That’s Tuesday,” Enriquez said. “That’s what it looks like when there is no cavalry. Your horror often has a cavalry, Stephen. The group of friends, the psychic child, the old man who knows what’s in the woods. My horror has a woman alone in a house with a problem that will outlast her.”
King opened his mouth and closed it. He picked up his Coca-Cola and found it empty. He set it down.
“You’re not wrong,” he said. “I write people who fight back because I believe people fight back. I’ve seen it. But I also know — I’ve been in rooms where nobody fights back. Where the fighting is over and what’s left is maintenance. Endurance. My mother, when she was dying. Nobody fought. We just — managed. We managed the medications and the bedpans and the long afternoons when she couldn’t remember who we were and we sat there anyway because sitting was the only verb left.”
Enriquez didn’t say anything for a moment. Then: “That. Put that in the story.”
I asked about the botanical nature of the transformation. How specific should we get? How much should the reader see?
“Everything,” King said. “Show them everything. The reader needs to see the texture, the color, the way it moves when she breathes. The way it’s incorporated itself into her skin so you can’t tell where she ends and it begins. Don’t be tasteful. Taste is for people who aren’t in the room.”
“But not clinical,” Enriquez said. “Not like a medical textbook. The description should come from the sister’s hands. What does it feel like when she washes her? The texture under the washcloth. The way the growth resists the soap. The sound it makes. The sister knows this body through touch, through the daily practice of care, and the knowledge is intimate and revolting and precise. She knows things about this transformation that no doctor would know because no doctor is bathing it every morning.”
“The intimacy of care as the intimacy of horror,” I said. “The same gesture — washing a body — that would be tender in a different story is here the mechanism by which the sister is forced to catalogue the changes.”
“And she does catalogue them,” King said. “She’s a list-maker. A practical woman. She probably keeps a notebook. Not for doctors — for herself. Because putting it in writing makes it manageable. Tuesday: growth has reached the elbow. Wednesday: new nodules on the collarbone. Thursday: she asked for water but the word came out wrong. Leaves. She said leaves.”
The owner came to the table and put down a plate of empanadas without being asked. Enriquez thanked him in the rapid Spanish of someone who has known this man a long time. King took one and ate it in two bites.
“The ending,” I said. “How does this end?”
“It doesn’t,” Enriquez said. “The story ends. The growing doesn’t.”
“That’s too neat,” King said.
“It isn’t neat. It’s the opposite of neat. Neat is a climax. Neat is the growth reaches her brain and she dies and the family buries her and the last paragraph is about spring. What I’m saying is that the story stops but the situation doesn’t. The final fragment in the timeline is not the last moment. It’s a moment. A Wednesday. A bath. The sister is washing her and something has changed — something new — and the sister adjusts. Adds it to the notebook. Wrings out the washcloth. Keeps going.”
“And the reader doesn’t know where in the timeline this Wednesday falls,” King said. He was nodding now, slowly, like he’d been dragged somewhere he hadn’t wanted to go and was finding the view tolerable. “Early? Late? Is this the beginning of the end or the end of the beginning? The reader doesn’t know. The reader is where the family has always been — inside a process with no visible edges.”
“Yes,” Enriquez said.
King picked up another empanada. “I still think there needs to be a moment — one moment — where the sister sees the person inside. Where the thing in the bed is her relative and not a condition. One clear moment of recognition. Not to redeem anything. Not to make the reader feel good. To make the reader feel the full weight of what’s being lost. You can’t mourn something you never see.”
Enriquez considered this. “One moment,” she said. “If it’s earned.”
“It has to be earned,” King said. “It has to cost something. She sees the person and then the person is gone again and the growth has covered whatever part of the face made recognition possible and the sister is back to managing tissue, managing a situation, managing a Wednesday.”
I looked at my notes. I had pages of them. Images: roots through concrete, flowering forearms, a notebook of changes, a washcloth over something that resists soap, old photographs revealing years of hidden progression, a family that stays because there is nowhere else to go. The non-linear timeline not as a trick but as the reader’s terrible privilege — seeing the whole shape when the family can only see the day.
“One more thing,” Enriquez said. She was looking at the wall, at the photographs of footballers in their yellowing frames. “The thing that’s growing. It should be beautiful. Not at first. At first it’s just wrong. But as it progresses — the family should have one moment, maybe two, where they see it and something in them responds to it the way you respond to a vine covering a ruined wall. A grudging aesthetic recognition. The sister should hate herself for that moment. For finding beauty in the thing that is eating someone she is responsible for.”
King didn’t answer. He was looking at the empanadas. I think he was thinking about his mother again.
The owner turned off another bank of lights. We sat in the remaining glow, the three of us, with the dark coming in from the street like something that had been waiting to be invited.