The Wrong Frequency and the Right Argument
A discussion between Emily Henry and Courtney Milan
Courtney wanted to meet at a law library. Not a café, not a bar, not someone’s living room — a law library, the kind with oak tables and green-shaded lamps and the particular silence of rooms designed for argumentation. She’d found one attached to a university in Providence that let non-affiliates use the reading room if they signed in at the desk, and she’d already reserved a table by the time she told us the location.
“It’s not precious,” she said over email. “It’s functional. I think better around case law.”
Emily replied with a single line: “I think better around people who are slightly drunk and willing to be honest about their parents.”
They compromised. We started in the law library and would move to a bar when the conversation needed it. This sounded reasonable at the time. What actually happened was that we never left, because the argument got good enough that nobody wanted to break it by standing up.
The table Courtney had chosen was near a window overlooking a courtyard where someone had planted hydrangeas that had no business surviving a Rhode Island winter but were, against all botanical logic, doing fine. Emily kept glancing at them. I think she was composing a metaphor. Courtney had spread out three books and a legal pad with handwriting so precise it looked typeset, and was tapping a pen against the edge of the table in a rhythm that suggested she’d already been thinking about this for hours.
I had a laptop and a cup of coffee that was going cold. I opened with the combination.
“Two people across years. Class as a wedge. The circling — approach and retreat, approach and retreat. First impressions that are wrong. The slow work of correcting them.” I paused. “That’s Rooney and Austen, obviously. The question is what you two do with it.”
“The question,” Courtney said, not looking up from her legal pad, “is whether we’re writing a love story about two individuals or a love story about two positions. Because those are different projects, and the answer determines everything else.”
Emily tilted her head. “Can you say more about what you mean by positions?”
“I mean — in Austen, Darcy and Elizabeth are not just people who misread each other. They are representatives of two different relationships to social power. His pride is not a personality flaw. It’s a class position — the assumption that wealth and standing entitle him to a certain deference, a certain access. Her prejudice is not a personality flaw either. It’s a rational response to being condescended to by someone with more power than her. The romance works because the power differential is real, not imagined. The obstacles aren’t misunderstandings. They’re structural.”
“Sure,” Emily said. “But the reason people reread Pride and Prejudice every year is not because they enjoy watching structural critique get resolved through marriage. It’s because Darcy’s letter makes them feel something in their chest. It’s because Elizabeth laughs at herself and you love her for it. The positions matter, yes. But they matter because they’re inhabited by specific, irreplaceable people.”
“I don’t disagree.”
“You’re about to disagree.”
“I don’t disagree that specificity matters. I disagree about where it lives. You think it lives in voice. I think it lives in structure.”
Emily leaned back. “Explain.”
Courtney set down her pen. “When I design a romance, I start with the obstacle. Not the characters — the obstacle. What is the thing that makes this love impossible? Not implausible, not inconvenient — impossible. And then I figure out what kinds of people would be standing on either side of that impossibility, and what it would cost each of them to cross it. The characters emerge from the structure. The specificity — the details that make them real, the things they say that you can’t forget — those come later. They fill the architecture.”
“For me it’s the opposite,” Emily said. “I hear a voice. A woman in a car, or at a funeral, or lying in bed at three in the morning composing a text she’ll never send. I hear the way she talks to herself — the deflection, the joke that’s covering something, the parenthetical that’s doing all the emotional work. And then I figure out: what does this woman need? What is she refusing? Who is the person she can’t stop circling?”
“Voice first versus structure first,” I said.
“Don’t reduce it,” Courtney said. “It’s not a binary. It’s a question about where conviction lives. Emily trusts the voice to find the story. I trust the argument to find the characters. Both of us end up in the same place — a love story that earns its ending — but we take completely different roads, and the roads produce different kinds of friction.”
“Different kinds of friction,” I repeated, writing it down. “What kind do we need here?”
Courtney pulled one of her books toward her — a used paperback of Normal People with a cracked spine and what looked like coffee stains on the cover. “Rooney does something very specific with class. She doesn’t make it an obstacle the characters overcome. She makes it a frequency. Connell and Marianne are on different frequencies — his working-class frequency, her wealthy-family frequency — and the story is about how they keep tuning toward each other and then drifting back because the static is always there. The class difference isn’t a wall. It’s interference.”
“That’s good,” Emily said. “The frequency metaphor.”
“It’s not a metaphor. It’s literally how Rooney structures her scenes. Go back and look at the dialogue. Every time Connell and Marianne are in sync — finishing each other’s sentences, reading each other’s silences — something external breaks the signal. A party. A social expectation. Someone else’s perception of who they should be. The drift isn’t personal. It’s atmospheric.”
“But it feels personal,” Emily said. “That’s the cruelty of it. Every time they lose each other, it feels like a choice, even though it’s not — or not entirely. And that’s the thing that kills you, as a reader. You want to grab them both and say: just stay. Just say the thing. And they can’t, because the static is louder than the signal, and they don’t have the language to name what’s happening to them.”
I felt the convergence coming but I wanted to push before it arrived. “Okay. So if we’re taking Rooney’s frequency idea and Austen’s first-impressions idea, we need two people who are on different frequencies and who have each other wrong. But this is contemporary romance, not literary fiction. There has to be heat. There has to be a happy ending. How do we do Rooney’s ambient interference and Austen’s slow correction without losing the genre?”
Courtney’s pen started tapping again. “By making the interference specific and systemic. Not ambient. Rooney can afford to keep the class stuff atmospheric because she’s not writing toward a resolution. She’s writing toward an ending that’s provisional — maybe they’ll make it, maybe they won’t, the book closes on a breath. We don’t have that luxury. We’re writing a romance. The happy ending is a contract with the reader. So the interference has to be something concrete enough to be defeated, or at least — renegotiated.”
“Defeated is the wrong word,” Emily said, and she said it fast, the way she does when something has been bothering her for a while and finally found its moment. “Nothing gets defeated in a good contemporary romance. Things get survived. Or — metabolized. The obstacle becomes part of the relationship instead of something the relationship overcomes. The best romances end with two people who’ve figured out how to love each other inside the problem, not after it’s gone.”
“Inside the problem,” I said.
“Inside it. Because the problem doesn’t go away. If the obstacle is class — real class, not just ‘he’s a billionaire and she’s a barista’ class — then class doesn’t evaporate because they kiss. They still go home to different neighborhoods. They still have different relationships to money, to security, to what failure means. The HEA isn’t about erasing the difference. It’s about building a life that holds both frequencies.”
Courtney was quiet for a moment. When she spoke, her voice had changed — less argumentative, more careful, the way it gets when she’s working something out in real time.
“I want to push back on one thing. You said the HEA is about holding both frequencies. I think that’s true emotionally, but I think it has to also be true politically. What I mean is — if we write a love story where the class difference is real, where it shapes how these two people see each other and what they assume about each other’s motives, then the resolution can’t just be personal. It can’t just be: we understand each other now, and understanding is enough. Because understanding isn’t enough. Understanding without structural change is just enlightened suffering.”
“So what do you want?” Emily asked. “A policy proposal at the end?”
“Don’t be glib.”
“I’m not being glib. I’m genuinely asking. What does structural change look like in a contemporary romance between two specific people?”
“It looks like one of them giving something up. Not compromising — giving something up. There’s a difference. A compromise is symmetrical. Each person moves halfway. A sacrifice is asymmetrical. One person moves further because they have further to move.”
The library had gotten quieter around us, the way libraries do in the late afternoon when the serious researchers leave and the evening crowd hasn’t arrived yet. One of the green-shaded lamps had flickered out. The hydrangeas in the courtyard were catching the last of the winter light.
“In Austen,” I said, “Darcy is the one who moves further. He rewrites his entire understanding of what his position means. Elizabeth moves too — she lets go of her prejudice — but Darcy’s journey is longer because he has more to dismantle.”
“Yes,” Courtney said. “And that’s the thing people get wrong about Pride and Prejudice. They think it’s a love story about two equals who overcome misunderstanding. It’s not. It’s a love story about a man with more power who learns to use it differently because a woman with less power told him the truth about himself. The asymmetry is the engine.”
“Rooney’s version is different,” Emily said. “In Normal People, neither of them has stable power. It shifts. He has social capital in secondary school; she has it at university. The asymmetry keeps inverting, which means neither of them can ever be the one who definitively moves further, because the ground keeps shifting under them.”
“Which is why they never fully arrive,” Courtney said.
“Which is why the book is devastating.”
“We can’t do devastating. We’re doing romance.”
Emily smiled. Not the bright, deflective smile I’d seen in interviews. A smaller one, private, almost reluctant. “We can do devastating on the way to the HEA. We just can’t stay there. The devastation has to be a station, not a destination.”
I liked that. I wrote it down without crossing it out.
“Let me try something,” I said. “What if the first impressions are about ambition? Not class directly, but what class does to your relationship with ambition. She comes from money — not absurd money, but enough that ambition is optional. He comes from less, and ambition is the architecture of his survival. She reads his drive as ruthlessness. He reads her ease as carelessness. Both readings are wrong, but not entirely wrong, which is the Austen move — the first impression that’s close enough to true that it takes years to see where it bends.”
“Years,” Courtney said. “You want the Rooney time structure.”
“I want the circling. Two people who meet, misread each other, drift apart, meet again, misread each other differently, drift again. But each time, the gap is smaller. The frequency is tuning.”
“How many years?” Emily asked.
“I don’t know yet. Enough that they’ve built separate lives. Enough that running into each other at — I don’t know, a mutual friend’s wedding, a conference, a grocery store — is not romantic. It’s inconvenient. She’s with someone. Or he’s with someone. Or both. They’ve moved on, or they’ve convinced themselves they have, which is different.”
“It’s very different,” Emily said, and her voice had gone quiet in the way that told me something personal had surfaced. “That’s — the banter thing. The deflection. When you run into someone you used to have feelings for and you’ve convinced yourself you’re over it, the first thing you do is perform being fine. You’re funny. You’re light. You’re the most charming version of yourself, because charm is armor, and you need armor because if you stop being charming for even one second you’ll say something that reveals the entire fiction of your recovery.”
“That’s the Henry move,” Courtney said. “The wit as courtship.”
“The wit as defense.”
“Same thing. In Austen, wit is how Elizabeth and Darcy court each other before either of them knows that’s what they’re doing. Every sharp remark is a test. Can you keep up? Can you take it? Can you give as good as you get? The banter is the audition.”
“Austen’s banter has rules,” Emily said. “Social rules. There’s a framework — propriety, decorum, who speaks to whom and how. Contemporary banter doesn’t have that. There’s no Mr. Collins to embarrass you by existing. There’s no Lady Catherine to tell you your station. The framework is internal. You build your own rules for how close you’ll let someone get, and the banter is how you enforce them.”
“Laminated rules,” I said, and immediately regretted it.
Emily gave me a look. “That’s a different story.”
“Right. Sorry. But the impulse — ”
“The impulse is right. The specific reference is taken. Move on.”
I moved on. “What I mean is: she has her own framework for keeping him at distance, and it’s made of humor and competence and the particular kind of self-sufficiency that looks like strength but is actually fear of needing someone. And he has his own framework, and it’s made of — what?”
“Work,” Courtney said. “Discipline. The belief that if he just builds something impressive enough, he’ll have earned the right to — what? To be loved? To be chosen? To not be the person she dismissed?”
“That’s the pride,” Emily said. “Darcy’s pride isn’t vanity. It’s the belief that his worth is self-evident. That if you can’t see it, the failure of perception is yours. Our guy’s pride is the contemporary version — the belief that his accomplishments should speak for him. That he shouldn’t have to explain himself. That being good at what he does is enough.”
“And it’s not enough,” Courtney said. “It’s never enough. Because accomplishment is not intimacy, and he’s substituted one for the other so thoroughly that when she shows up again, after years, and asks him a real question — not about his work, not about his success, just a real human question about what he actually wants — he doesn’t have an answer. He has a résumé where an answer should be.”
The library was almost empty now. Someone at a distant table was packing up a laptop, and the zipper on their bag was loud in the silence. Courtney had stopped tapping her pen. Emily was looking at the hydrangeas again, but differently this time — not composing a metaphor, just looking, the way you look at something when your mind is somewhere else entirely.
“The thing I keep coming back to,” Emily said, “is the Rooney problem. The provisional ending. In Normal People, Connell and Marianne love each other, and it’s not enough, and then it’s enough, and then it’s not again, and the book ends on this moment of possible departure that might be the beginning of something or the end of something and Rooney refuses to tell you which. That’s honest. That’s probably how it actually works. But we can’t do that. We have to commit. The HEA is a commitment to the reader that these two people will figure it out, and we have to earn it without lying.”
“Without lying,” Courtney repeated.
“Without pretending the static goes away. Without pretending class doesn’t matter. Without pretending that two people who spent years misreading each other have suddenly become fluent in each other’s language. The HEA has to include the interference. It has to be a happy ending that sounds like both frequencies at once — not harmony, not unison, but two signals that have learned to carry information through the noise.”
“That’s not a resolution,” Courtney said. “That’s a negotiation.”
“Romance is a negotiation. Every romance. Between the reader’s desire for reassurance and the writer’s obligation to honesty. The HEA is the contract, but what lives inside the contract — how messy, how provisional, how hard-won — that’s where the art is.”
Courtney looked at me. “You’ve been quiet.”
“I’ve been listening.”
“That’s a cop-out. What do you think?”
I closed my laptop. “I think you’re both right, and I think the story has to hold the tension between your positions without resolving it. Courtney, you want the obstacle to be structural. Emily, you want the obstacle to be personal. I think it’s both. The class difference is real and it shapes everything — how they talk, what they assume, what they’re afraid of. But the thing that keeps them apart isn’t class. It’s the story each of them has told themselves about who the other person is. The first impression that calcified into a belief. And dismantling a belief is harder than dismantling a system, because at least a system has the decency to be external.”
Courtney opened her mouth.
“I’m not done. The circling — the Rooney thing, the years of approach and retreat — that’s the time it takes to replace one story with another. You can’t just see someone clearly. You have to un-see them wrong first, and un-seeing is slow work, and it happens at a different pace for each of them, which means there will be moments when one of them is ready and the other isn’t, and those missed windows are the most painful thing in the story.”
Emily was nodding slowly. “The missed windows. Yes. That’s where the devastation lives.”
“And the pride,” I said. “His pride isn’t arrogance. It’s the scar tissue from the first rejection. The belief that if she didn’t want him then, she doesn’t get to want him now. Which is — ”
“Wrong,” Courtney said.
“Human,” Emily said.
They looked at each other. One of those moments where two writers are saying different things and meaning the same thing and neither of them is going to be the one to point it out.
I looked at the hydrangeas. They were in shadow now, the last light pulled behind the building across the courtyard, and in the gray they looked less like flowers and more like something someone had forgotten to bring inside before the season turned.
“There’s something else,” Courtney said. “About Austen’s letter. Darcy writes a letter because he can’t say the thing in person. The social framework won’t allow it, and his pride won’t allow it, and the letter is where the truth goes when every other channel is blocked. What’s our version of the letter?”
Nobody answered. The question sat on the table between the legal pad and the cracked paperback and my closed laptop, and it was the right question, and none of us had the answer yet, which meant we’d have to find it in the writing.
“I think,” Emily said, and then stopped. She picked up Courtney’s copy of Normal People and turned it over in her hands, looking at the back cover like it might tell her something she hadn’t already read.
“I think the letter isn’t a letter. I think it’s a conversation they have in a car, late at night, when they’re both too tired to perform. When the banter fails. When the charm runs out. When the only thing left is the thing they’ve been circling for years, and one of them says it — badly, without grace, without the right words — and the other one hears it.”
“Which one says it?” I asked.
Emily put the book down. “I don’t know yet. But it has to be the wrong one. The one you don’t expect.”