What the House Requires

A discussion between James M. Cain and William Faulkner


The house was real. That was the first problem.

Faulkner had sent directions — not an address, directions, the kind involving a gravel road and a dead pecan tree and a right turn where the mailboxes stopped — and I followed them south from Greenville into country that flattened and softened until it felt less like land and more like the memory of land, something sedimented and patient and too tired to hold a shape. The river was close. You could smell it before you could see it, a mineral sweetness underneath the rot, and the rot underneath everything else. I parked beside a collapsed fence post and walked through knee-high grass toward a house that leaned toward the water with the slow commitment of something that had been deciding to fall for a hundred years.

Faulkner was on the porch. He was sitting in a chair that did not match the porch and the porch did not match the house and the house did not match anything, not even itself — the left side was original clapboard, buckled and grey, and the right side had been patched with plywood and tin in a manner that suggested not repair but argument, as if someone had disagreed with the house about what it should look like and neither party had won. He had a glass of something amber and a cigarette and he was looking at the river the way you look at a bill you know you can’t pay.

Cain arrived on foot, which surprised me. He came around the side of the house from the direction of the road, moving quick and straight like a man crossing a parking lot toward a fight he’s already decided to finish. He was in shirtsleeves. He looked at the house the way a mechanic looks at an engine — not with admiration, not with pity, but with the immediate question of whether the thing runs. He climbed the porch steps without acknowledging either of us and leaned against the railing and the railing moved under him and he shifted his weight but did not step back.

“This is a murder house,” Cain said.

“This is a house,” Faulkner said. “Murder is a thing that may happen in it.”

“Murder has already happened in it. Look at it. The basement door’s been widened. You don’t widen a basement door to carry in furniture. You widen it to carry something out.”

“You widen it,” Faulkner said, “because the thing you are building below requires passage. Requires dimensions the original builders did not anticipate. A man builds a house for the life he expects. He expands the house for the life that overtakes him.”

Cain looked at him. I could see him deciding whether to argue and deciding it wasn’t worth it, which with Cain usually means he’s going to argue anyway but wants you to think he’s letting it go.

“The husband drowned,” I said. “That’s the setup. The widow’s alone in this house, and the house has a cellar, and the husband was building something down there before he died. She hires a drifter to caulk the windows. That’s the surface job. Underneath, she wants him to finish whatever’s in the cellar.”

“What’s in the cellar?” Cain said.

“We don’t know yet.”

“The hell we don’t. Something’s in the cellar or there’s no story. You can’t hang a narrative on a mystery you haven’t solved yourself. The writer has to know what’s down there even if the reader doesn’t.”

Faulkner set his glass on the arm of the chair, carefully, the way you set something down when the surface is not to be trusted. “The writer does not need to know what is in the cellar. The house knows. The house has always known. It has been waiting for someone to descend and understand what it has been holding, and the drifter is not the first person it has waited for. The husband went down. The husband did not come back up the same man. What is in the cellar changed him before it killed him and it will change the drifter too, because the cellar is not a room. The cellar is the house’s memory. The house remembers everything that was done inside it and the cellar is where it keeps the remembering.”

“That’s gothic,” Cain said. “That’s not noir.”

“There is no wall between them.”

“There’s a damn wall. Noir is a man who walks into a trap because he wants something. Gothic is a house that traps him because the house wants something. One is human. The other is furniture.”

I sat on the porch steps because there was nowhere else. The wood was soft and warm under me and I could feel it give slightly, the way old wood does when it’s held together more by habit than by nails. The river made a sound below the bank that was less like water and more like breathing.

“I think the house is furniture and the house is human,” I said. “I think that’s the territory. The drifter — I’m calling him Teague — he comes to caulk windows. That’s labor. Simple. He’ll work a week, take the money, keep moving. That’s the Cain engine. A man enters a situation, sees a job, sees a woman, tells himself it’s just the job.”

“And it’s never just the job,” Cain said. “Good. That I understand. The woman is the trap. What does she look like?”

“Don’t,” Faulkner said.

“Don’t what?”

“Don’t ask what she looks like. You will reduce her to a body and the body will become a mechanism and the mechanism will produce the inevitability you require for your plot. I have watched you do it in book after book. The woman is beautiful. The man wants the beautiful woman. He does a terrible thing to get her. The woman was never a woman. She was the beautiful shape of his ruin.”

Cain’s jaw tightened. I watched the muscle work beneath his ear. “My women are the smartest people in my books.”

“Your women are the most functional people in your books. Functional is not the same as alive. Phyllis Neidlinger is a Swiss watch. She keeps time. She does not breathe.”

There was a silence after that which I did not want to be inside. A bird — I don’t know what kind, something that lived low in the brush near water — made a sound like a gate hinge and then stopped.

“The widow,” I said. “Her name is Cordell. The husband’s name was Landry. She married into the house — she didn’t grow up here. That matters. She’s from Vicksburg, or somewhere that has a downtown and a paved main road, and she came here because Landry brought her, and now Landry is in the river, or under it, or wherever drowned men go in this part of the country, and she’s alone with the house and whatever the house contains.”

“She married the house,” Faulkner said. “Not the man. She may not have known it at the time. Most people who marry houses do not. They believe they are marrying a person and they wake up one morning and the person is gone — dead, left, drunk, diminished beyond recognition — and the house remains. The house is the thing that outlasts the vow.”

“That’s pretty,” Cain said. “But it doesn’t move.”

“It does not need to move. It needs to be true.”

“True doesn’t sell. True doesn’t turn pages. You want the reader to sit in the porch light and contemplate the nature of domestic architecture, fine. I want the reader’s hands to sweat. I want them flipping the page because they need to know what happens next, and what happens next has to feel like it was always going to happen and also like it could have been stopped, and that gap — between inevitability and the illusion of choice — that’s where noir lives.”

I waited to see if Faulkner would respond. He picked up his glass and drank from it. The light was going, moving from yellow to that deep orange that happens in delta country when the sun drops below the tree line but hasn’t reached the river yet. Everything looked gilded and temporary.

“The drifter goes into the cellar,” I said. “He has to. That’s the movement of the story. He arrives. He caulks windows. He sees the woman. He begins to want the woman. The woman asks him to go into the cellar. He doesn’t want to. He goes anyway.”

“Because of the woman,” Cain said.

“Because of the woman. And because of the house. And because he’s the kind of man who goes into cellars. A man who drifts is a man who has already decided that what’s behind the next door is worth more than what’s behind this one, and that decision — to always open the next door — is the thing that ruins him. Not the woman. Not the cellar. The habit of passage.”

Faulkner was watching me with an expression I could not read, which may have been approval or may have been the look a man gives an animal that has done something unexpected but not necessarily useful.

“The habit of passage,” he repeated. “Yes. That is the drifter’s sin. Not lust. Not greed. Passage. The refusal to remain. And the house is the opposite of passage. The house is stasis. The house has been here since before the Civil War and it will be here after the drifter is gone and the widow is gone and the river has moved another quarter mile east, which it will, because the river does not consult us about its plans. The drifter walks into the house and what he walks into is the opposite of everything he has ever been, and the collision between passage and stasis is the story.”

“No,” Cain said. “The woman is the story.”

“The house is the story.”

“The woman is the story because the woman is the reason he stays. Without the woman there’s no story. He walks in, looks at a cellar, says no thanks, and keeps drifting. The woman is the nail that stops the wheel. Everything that happens after — the cellar, the discovery, the ruin — happens because his feet stopped moving when he looked at her.”

“You are describing a man whose fate is determined by a woman’s body. I am describing a man whose fate is determined by a century of accumulated intention embedded in the structure of a house. One of these is a story about a person. The other is a story about a place. I am interested in the place.”

“Nobody reads a story about a place.”

“Everyone who has read my work has read a story about a place. Yoknapatawpha is not a setting. It is a character. It acts. It remembers. It punishes.”

Cain pushed off the railing and walked to the other end of the porch. His footsteps made the boards sing, a low creaking that sounded like the house was talking in its sleep. He stopped at the far end and looked back at us, and in the failing light his face had that quality of men who have made up their minds about most things and are waiting for the world to catch up.

“Here’s what I’ll give you,” he said. “The house can matter. The cellar can matter. But the engine is desire. The drifter wants the widow. That’s the machine. You can drape it in Spanish moss and ancestral guilt and the weight of a hundred years of river-bottom history, and that’s fine, that gives it texture, but the thing that runs — the thing that makes it noir — is a man looking at a woman and knowing that looking will cost him everything and not stopping.”

“And the woman?” I said. “Cordell. What does she want?”

Cain opened his mouth and Faulkner spoke first. “She wants the cellar finished. She wants what her husband started to be completed, and she does not know what it is, and she does not care what it is. She cares that it was begun and not ended. She lives in a house of unfinished intention and every room reminds her of a project abandoned, a wall half-painted, a door hung but not trimmed, and the cellar is the largest and most final of these unfinished things, and she cannot bear it. Not because of what is down there. Because it is not done.”

“That’s not desire,” Cain said. “That’s compulsion.”

“Compulsion is desire with the pleasure removed. It is desire’s skeleton. She needs this drifter to go into the cellar and finish what was started because the alternative is to live forever inside something incomplete, and living inside something incomplete is a kind of death that goes on happening every morning when you wake up and the house is still not finished and your husband is still in the river and the walls are still breathing with the damp.”

I felt something shift. Not agreement between them — I don’t think agreement was available — but a recognition that they were building the same house from different corners and the walls might actually meet.

“Teague goes down,” I said. “He goes down because the woman asks and because the house lets him and because he’s a man who goes through doors. And what he finds — ”

“Don’t tell me what he finds,” Cain said.

“I need to tell you something about what he finds.”

“Tell me what it does to him. I don’t care what it looks like. I care what it does.”

“What it does is it stops him. For the first time. He’s a drifter, a man whose whole identity is motion, and the thing in the cellar makes him stop. Not because it’s frightening. Not because it’s valuable. Because it’s the first thing he’s ever seen that was clearly, unmistakably, meant to be finished, and he understands — in his body, not in his mind — that he is the one who is supposed to finish it.”

“That’s Absalom,” Faulkner said, and his voice was different now, lower, stripped of the ornamental quality it sometimes carried. “That is Sutpen. The design. The grand design that consumes the designer and everyone the designer touches. The husband had a design. The design required the cellar. The cellar required labor. The labor required a body. The husband’s body failed. The river took it. The design did not die with the body. The design persisted in the house the way heat persists in brick after the fire is out. And now the design has found a new body. The drifter. And the drifter does not understand that he is not choosing to stay. The design is choosing him.”

“That’s spooky horseshit,” Cain said, but there was no heat in it. He was leaning against the porch post and the post was leaning with him and both of them looked like they’d been there forever. “A man chooses. He looks at the woman, he looks at the cellar, he weighs it against the road, and he stays. The reasons are simple. She’s worth staying for. The money’s decent. The bed is warm. He lies to himself about the rest.”

“The lies are the story,” I said.

They both looked at me.

“The lies Teague tells himself. That it’s just labor. That the cellar is just a room. That Cordell is just a lonely widow and he’s just a man with a caulking gun and none of this means anything beyond the daily rate. Every scene, every page, the prose should carry the sound of a man constructing elaborate rational explanations for something he is doing for entirely irrational reasons. That’s the Cain voice — the narrator who knows he’s lying to you and can’t stop, because stopping would mean admitting what he actually wants, and what he actually wants would destroy the version of himself he needs to survive.”

Cain said nothing. His cigarette had gone out and he didn’t relight it.

“And underneath the lies,” I continued, “the Faulkner layer. The sentences that get longer when Teague goes deeper into the house. The syntax that starts to coil and double back on itself, the way the river doubles back, because the house is doing something to his thinking, to his language, and the clean drifter’s voice — I did this, then I did that, then I did the next thing — starts to dissolve into something denser, something with subordinate clauses and embedded memories and half-finished thoughts that trail off into the sound of the foundation settling.”

“You are describing a schizophrenic narrator,” Cain said.

“I’m describing a man being consumed by a house. The prose is the evidence. His voice changes because he’s changing. The lean Cain sentences at the beginning — arrival, labor, desire — and the Faulkner sentences at the end, when he’s deep in the cellar and deep in the woman and deep in the design, and the language has become the house, has taken on its weight and its humidity and its refusal to let anything go.”

Faulkner stood up. It was a slow process, the way standing is slow when the body is old and the bourbon is working and the porch is not entirely to be trusted. He walked to the edge and looked down at the yard, which was dark now, the grass black and the river invisible but audible, a constant low conversation with itself.

“The danger,” he said, “is that you will let the drifter understand what is happening to him. You must not. He must not arrive at comprehension. Sutpen never understood his design — he understood only the need for it, the hole in the world that demanded to be filled, and he poured everything he had into the filling and the hole remained. Your drifter must be the same. He goes into the cellar. He works. He looks at what the husband built. He continues building. And he does not know why, and if you make him know why, you have written a story about a man having a realization, which is the most tedious kind of story available to the human race.”

“Teague’s not smart enough for realizations,” Cain said. “That’s the beauty of a drifter. He’s all appetite and motion. You don’t give a drifter a epiphany. You give him a consequence.”

“On that,” Faulkner said, “we may be adjacent.”

That was as close to agreement as I was going to get. The porch was dark. Somewhere inside the house, a pipe or a joint or some architectural thing I didn’t have a name for made a sound like a knuckle cracking. The river kept talking. Cain lit a fresh cigarette and the match flare made his face appear and disappear like a thing the dark was deciding whether to keep.

I wanted to ask about the ending. About what Teague finds when he finally gets to the bottom of whatever the husband was building. About whether Cordell knows or doesn’t know, and whether it matters. About whether the house gets what it wants, or whether the house’s wanting is the kind that can never be satisfied because satisfaction would mean completion and completion would mean the house could finally rest and the house does not want to rest, the house wants to continue, to persist, to hold and hold and hold until

“The title,” Cain said. “Caulk and Quiet. That’s good. Caulk is the thing you put between surfaces to stop the air. To stop the draft. To seal the gaps. And the gaps are where the truth gets in.”

“The quiet,” Faulkner said, “is what lives in the house when the caulking is done and there is no more air moving through the walls and the house is finally sealed against the world and everything inside it has nowhere left to go.”

I wrote that down. The pencil was dull and the notebook was damp from the river air and the words looked like they were already dissolving into the page, which felt