The Architecture of Not-Seeing

A discussion between Shirley Jackson and Don DeLillo


The room was a conference room on the third floor of a federal building in lower Manhattan, repurposed for something it wasn’t built for. White walls, fluorescent panels, a table long enough for twelve people that seated three. The air conditioning labored in the ceiling with a sound like a man trying to clear his throat without anyone noticing. Jackson was already seated when I arrived, and she had positioned herself facing the door — not the window, which overlooked the parking structure across the street, but the door, as if she expected it to do something.

DeLillo arrived seven minutes late, carrying nothing. No bag, no notebook, no coffee. He sat at the far end of the table, leaving three empty chairs between himself and Jackson, and he studied the ceiling tile directly above his head with the focused blankness of someone reading a document written in a language he knows but hasn’t used in years.

“The tiles have water damage,” he said. “You can see the ring. Something leaked above this room and was repaired, but the stain is still there.”

“Everything in a government building is like that,” Jackson said. “Fixed on paper. Still broken in fact.”

I set my notes on the table. I’d been thinking about the story for days — a correctional officer, surveillance cameras, a high-profile death — and I wanted to explain the whole concept, the risk card, the structure, but DeLillo spoke first.

“Tell me about the work orders.”

“The cameras fail,” I said. “Fourteen times on one corridor. Each time maintenance comes, files a report, signs off. Each time the cameras fail again.”

“And the work orders are real.”

“In the story, yes. Complete and filed. Every failure documented, every repair completed, every subsequent failure documented again.”

DeLillo leaned back. The fluorescent light put his face into a flat, shadowless clarity that made him look like a photograph of himself. “The document that proves the system works is also the document that proves the system fails. The same piece of paper. That’s the mechanism. You don’t need conspiracy. You need paperwork.”

Jackson shook her head. Not a refusal, more like she was trying to dislodge something. “You’re already making it about systems. You do that. You see the network, the architecture, the way information flows through institutions like blood through a body. But the man in the control room watching the monitors — he’s not a node in a network. He’s a man in a room. And the room is doing something to him.”

“What is the room doing to him?”

“Teaching him what not to see.”

DeLillo was quiet for a moment. I could hear the air conditioning and something else beneath it — a vibration from the building’s core, plumbing or elevator cables, the infrastructure that keeps a building alive and that you’re never supposed to hear. “I would say the room is teaching him that not-seeing is seeing. That the blank monitor is a form of information. He watches the cameras go dark and he writes it down and he watches them go dark again, and after enough repetitions the darkness is what the cameras show. That becomes the picture.”

“That’s the DeLillo version,” Jackson said. “The epistemological horror. The corruption of perception at the systems level. But there’s an older horror underneath it, and it’s simpler: the building doesn’t want him to see.”

“Buildings don’t want anything.”

“Institutions want things. You know that. You’ve written about it — the crowd that has its own intelligence, the market that has its own hunger. An institution is a building that has learned to want. And what this building wants is darkness on that corridor at that hour. Not every corridor. Not every hour. Just that one. Just then.”

I watched DeLillo process this. He did not agree and he did not disagree. He pressed his fingertips together and looked at the place where they met, as if the answer might be there.

“The Shining,” I said. “The Overlook Hotel has appetites. It wants Jack Torrance specifically because he’s the caretaker — the person whose job is to watch the building. The building doesn’t just consume him. It recruits him. It turns the watcher into part of what’s being watched.”

“King made it supernatural,” DeLillo said. “The hotel was literally haunted. The ghosts were real, the bartender poured real drinks. That’s one way to do it. The other way — the way that interests me — is to leave the supernatural out entirely. No ghosts. No malevolent intelligence. Just a building where the systems produce blindness as a function, and the function is so reliable that it resembles will.”

“Resembles,” Jackson said. “That word does a lot of work for you. I don’t think the distinction between ‘resembles will’ and ‘has will’ matters to the man in the room. If the cameras go dark every time the same thing happens, and the building has been doing this for years, since before he was hired, since before the current warden — does it matter whether the building intends it or merely produces it? The experience is identical. He sits in the dark. Something happens that he cannot see. He writes it down.”

“The writing it down,” I said. “That’s the risk card. The story has to be the document itself — work orders, log entries, maintenance reports. The narrative IS the paperwork.”

DeLillo leaned forward for the first time. “Good. That’s right. The bureaucratic form as literary form. A work order is a story: something was broken, someone came, they fixed it, it’s still broken. Beginning, middle, no end. And the language of the work order — the controlled vocabulary, the checkboxes, the fields that constrain what can be said — that language shapes what the officer can think about what he’s seeing. He can write ‘camera malfunction, corridor 9-South.’ He cannot write ‘the building went blind again.’”

“He cannot write it because the form doesn’t have a field for it,” Jackson said. “And after enough forms, he can’t think it either. The form has colonized his perception. He sees in work orders. He experiences reality as a series of fields to be filled. Date. Time. Nature of malfunction. Action taken. Resolved: yes/no. The ‘yes’ is always a lie, but it’s the only option that lets him go home.”

I was writing this down and I stopped, because I realized I was writing it in a list format — neat bullet points — and the conversation was not a list. It was something messier, with overlaps and gaps, and I was already doing what the officer does: containing the uncontainable in the available form.

“House of Leaves,” I said. “The Navidson Record, the footnotes, the layers of document. Danielewski built a horror story out of scholarly apparatus. The footnotes contradict the text. The appendices undermine the footnotes. Every layer of documentation adds uncertainty instead of clarity. I want this story to do something similar — the work orders should accumulate into something that the work orders themselves can’t describe.”

“The space between the documents,” DeLillo said. “The white space. What happens between one work order and the next. The cameras fail at 2:14 AM, and the next entry is at 6:30 AM when the day shift arrives and notes the failure, and in that gap — four hours and sixteen minutes — the story happens. But the story is never in the document. The document is the frame around the missing picture.”

Jackson turned to face him fully. “Now you sound like me.”

“I sound like a man describing a system that produces absence. You sound like a woman describing a house that eats. We may be talking about the same thing.”

“We’re not.” She said it flat, without heat, the way you’d correct a fact. “You think the absence is the point. The gap in the record, the missing footage, the four hours where anything could have happened. That’s your horror: the unknowable. But my horror is the knowable. The officer knows. Not consciously, not articulately, but in his body, in the way he sleeps deeper on those nights, in the way he stops checking the corridor at certain hours. His body has already agreed with the building. His body knows what the cameras are for and what they’re not for, and when they go dark his body says, good, we’re not seeing now, this is the not-seeing time. He is complicit at the level of reflex.”

“Complicity and system failure aren’t the same thing.”

“In a prison they are. The guard who sleeps through the death — is he lazy, is he drugged, is he paid off, is he simply a man who has been taught by two years of camera failures that this corridor goes dark and nothing happens and nothing needs to happen and sleep is the natural response to a screen that shows nothing? The building trained him. Every work order was a lesson. Every repair that didn’t hold was a curriculum. By the time the night comes, the real night, the one that matters — he is a perfect student. He sleeps.”

DeLillo stood up. Not to leave, just to stand. He walked to the window and looked out at the parking structure, six stories of concrete with cars on every level, and the light coming through the window made him half a silhouette.

“You’re describing conditioning. Pavlovian. The cameras fail, nothing happens, the officer learns that failure is normal. That’s behavioral psychology, not gothic horror.”

“The gothic is behavioral psychology with better architecture,” Jackson said. “Hill House doesn’t have ghosts. It has angles. Doors that close on their own because the house was built slightly wrong — not enough to see, just enough to feel. The geometry produces the haunting. The building’s architecture makes the inhabitants behave as if they’re being haunted, and whether they are or aren’t is beside the point, because the behavior is real either way. A prison where the cameras fail fourteen times — that’s a building with angles. The angle is in the wiring, in the maintenance contracts, in the staffing schedules that put two guards on a corridor that needs six. The geometry produces the blindness.”

I said: “Can I ask about the inmate?”

Neither of them answered right away. The air conditioning cleared its throat again.

“The inmate should be almost absent from the document,” DeLillo said, still at the window. “A name in a field. Cell number. Security classification. The work orders don’t describe what he’s doing while the cameras are down. They can’t. That’s the structural principle: the document records the equipment, not the human. Camera 9-South-3, malfunction, intermittent signal loss. The camera has an identity. The inmate is the thing the camera is pointed at. In the paperwork, the camera is the subject and the inmate is the object, and that inversion — that’s the horror of the bureaucratic gaze. The instrument matters more than what it’s supposed to see.”

“No,” Jackson said. “The inmate should be absent because the officer has stopped thinking about him. At the beginning, maybe, the first work order, the officer is thinking: these cameras watch that man’s cell, these cameras matter because that man matters, everyone knows what that man knows. But by the seventh work order, by the tenth, the officer is thinking about the cameras. The cameras are his problem. The cameras are what wakes him up at 2 AM. The cameras are what he writes about. The inmate has been replaced by the technology that was supposed to observe him. The man has become a camera problem.”

“Both of those are the same insight,” I said.

“They’re not,” they said, almost together, and the near-unison annoyed them both visibly.

DeLillo returned to his chair. He sat the way he’d sat before, with the three empty chairs between them, and I understood that the distance was not impoliteness but composition. He was arranging the room the way you’d arrange a sentence, with space where the meaning accumulates.

“The document has to fail,” he said. “At some point the work orders have to become insufficient. The officer starts adding notes. Margin notes, maybe, or a separate log. Things the form can’t hold. He writes: ‘Same failure. Third time this week. Something in the wiring? Asked maintenance to check junction box, they say it’s fine.’ And then later: ‘Cameras dark 2:00-5:47. Didn’t call it in. What’s the point.’ The language degrades. The bureaucratic precision erodes. The officer is losing his ability to describe what’s happening in the language the institution gave him, and he hasn’t found another language yet.”

“He won’t find one,” Jackson said. “That’s the point. The institution gives you a language and that language determines what you can see. When the language fails, you don’t switch to a better language. You stop seeing. The last log entry — ‘Cameras down. Usual.’ — that’s not a failure of language. That’s the completion of the building’s project. The officer has arrived at the sentence the building has been teaching him since his first shift. Two words and a period. That’s what not-seeing sounds like when it’s been fully mastered.”

The fluorescent light above DeLillo’s end of the table flickered. We all looked at it. It flickered again and then steadied.

“In a story,” DeLillo said, “that would be a symbol.”

“In a building,” Jackson said, “that’s deferred maintenance.”

“The distinction is the whole question.”

“The distinction is what the officer has to live inside of. Is the building falling apart or is the building doing something? He doesn’t know. He can never know. He writes his work orders and he fills his logs and the document he produces is either a record of institutional decay or a record of institutional intent, and the two are formatted identically. Same fields. Same checkboxes. Same signature at the bottom.”

I asked about the ending — the night itself, the death.

“You can’t show it,” DeLillo said immediately. “You don’t have the cameras.”

“And the officer is asleep,” Jackson added. “Both officers. Two men asleep in a room full of dark screens. That’s your last image. Not the death, which is a gap. The sleepers, which is a document. ‘Both COs observed to be non-responsive during rounds check.’ That’s the language. That’s what happened, translated into the only words the system can produce. Non-responsive. As if the guards were the machines.”

“As if the guards were the cameras,” DeLillo said. “Malfunctioning. Dark. The whole corridor has gone dark — machines and men alike. The building has achieved total blindness. And in that blindness, in that silence, the thing that was always going to happen happens, and there is no record because the building has spent two years systematically destroying the possibility of a record.”

“Or,” Jackson said, “the building has been asleep the whole time, and the cameras were always just cameras, and the wiring was always just old wiring, and two guards fell asleep because the overnight shift is brutal and the coffee is bad, and a man died because men die in custody, and the officer’s log is just a log, boring and ordinary and full of abbreviations that mean nothing, and the horror is that there is no horror. Just maintenance. Just the building being a building. Just the usual.”

She picked up her bag. She hadn’t taken it off her shoulder the entire time, I realized. She’d been sitting in a government conference room for forty-five minutes with her bag on her shoulder, as if she might need to leave at any moment.

“Which is it?” I asked.

“You’ll write it and not know,” she said. “And the reader will read it and not know. And the officer didn’t know. That’s the story. That’s the whole story. Nobody in that building knows whether the building is doing something or whether the building is just a building, and the not-knowing is indistinguishable from complicity, and the complicity is indistinguishable from the way things work.”

DeLillo said nothing. He was looking at the water stain on the ceiling tile again, the ring where something had leaked and been repaired, the evidence of a problem that had been solved on paper and that the ceiling still remembered.

I closed my notebook. We had not designed a story. We had described the shape of a hole where a story would go — a man in a room, a building that trains its keepers, a document that records everything except what matters. The mechanics were still to come. But the temperature was there, somewhere between Jackson’s building-that-doesn’t-want-you-to-see and DeLillo’s system-that-produces-absence, in the gap between conspiracy and entropy where a man can die and the paperwork can be perfect and the two facts can coexist without resolution.

The fluorescent light flickered one more time as I left. I didn’t write it down.